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The Wrong Person to Ask

  • Jun. 5th, 2009 at 10:31 AM
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You know that saying that there is no such thing as a Stupid Question?

I'm not sure I buy it.

I mean, its a nice thing for teachers to say, or other people who's livlihood depends on stupid questions continuing to be asked.  But, I'm pretty sure I've heard a stupid question. Quite a few of them actually.

And then there are questions that are just wrong- not morally wrong, but just the wrong questions to ask.   Like when someone asks a writer, "Where do you get your ideas?"  Just a heads up; writers hate that question.  It's like being asking "Where do you get air?"   If you are a writer, ideas are everywhere.  They bombard you wherever you go, assault you even.  They take over your mind and demand that you write about them.  And then when you start to obey, other ideas come along and hi-jack those ideas.  That is why the typical writerly response to the "ideas" question is a blank stare.  Wrong question.  How about, "Has there ever been a point in the universe from which ideas did not flow?"  Oh, and by the way, the answer to that is, "No".  

And then there is a third category of questions- the questions directed at the wrong people.  I experienced a doozy one of those the other day.

After ConScription, I was getting a ride to the airport with the guy who owned  the backpackers I'd stayed at.  His name was Scott and he knew that I was a fantasy/sci-fi writer who had been attending a fantasy/sci-fi convention.  We were chatting about the Con, the workshops, etc. and out of the blue he said, "So I'm worried about my nineteen-year-old son."

"What has you worried?"  I asked.

"Well he loves to read.  He devours books, in fact.  But every since he read the Harry Potter series as a boy, that's the only sort of thing he'll read.  I was wondering if you could tell me when my son will grow out of reading Fantasy."  

And I said, "I'm afraid you've asked the wrong person that question.  You see, I am forty and I still haven't grown out of reading fantasy.  In fact, my whole livelihood sort of depends on the hope that people don't grow out of reading fantasy.  What is it about fantasy that you consider juvenile?"

"Well, it doesn't teach you anything about 'real life'?" he insisted.  "Not like the great biographies, the philosophers and thinkers.  My son is going to grow up thinking everything can be fixed with the wave of a wand."  

"So you like to read non-fiction?  You like to read philosophy to find your truth, and your son finds his truth in Fantasy."  

"Truth?  What truth is there in Fantasy?"  he asked scowling.  

You know that saying, there is no such thing as a Stupid Question.

Naw, I don't buy it. 

 

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[info]morvashepley wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
I wish I could find Asimov's famous poem, "I just make 'em up, see" about where he gets his ideas from. And, of course, there's the idea of the month club, whereby writers get the ideas sent to them. How do they qualify to join? Well, they have to write stories ...

Your conversation with Scott reminds me of a strange one I had with a mum recently.

She saw that I had been reading a book. After we had been chatting a while she said, "Are you, like, eccentric?" I looked at her, wondering whether I should feel flattered. "Like, do you read?"

"Yes," I admitted.

"Yes. My husband's eccentric too. He reads all the time."

OK.

[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
Morva,
that is so weird. Eccentric=literate? Was she blonde? Hehe.
[info]kmarkhoover wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
I think the one thing non-writers don't understand is that we writers have TOO MANY ideas for stories. Not enough time to write them all.

And that guy was an obvious fucking idiot. World's full of them, too.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
I don't think of him in those strong of terms. However, I do feel sad that his mind isn't very open to mystery and who his son is becoming.
[info]zeemverse wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 11:54 pm (UTC)
Weird I never thought it was considered juvenile... but then my parents have piles of books that were fantasy as well and historical at least in addition to literature... though I don't read fantasy myself as I don't understand it... and so much regular fiction is fantasy anyway, Salman Rushdie is often fantasy for example
[info]zeemverse wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 11:54 pm (UTC)
have to say I like the ideas question though as I'm not imaginative and don't have ideas, it gives me a chance to say "this idea came from THIS PERSON who let me use it"
[info]green_knight wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 12:36 pm (UTC)
When it's for grown-ups, it's 'magical realism' or 'literary fiction'.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
When it is for University types or intellectuals, it is called magical realism or literary. When it for the your average reader on the street it is just fantasy or sci-fi or horror.

As for "understanding" fantasy, personally that isn't my emphasis when I read it. I read for the pure enjoyement of it, the escape and adventure, the awe and mystery. For fun! And if I gain understanding about myself or the human condition in the process. Well, that's just an added bonus.
[info]green_knight wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 08:10 am (UTC)
That comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but look at the people who insist that the books they write/read are 'not science fiction' or 'not fantasy' - that's what they're usually branded as. Oh, and 'futuristic thriller.'

Sometimes they are right. There is more to science fiction than a spaceship, more to fantasy than ghosts or magic - those elements need to be an integral part of the story, and they need to be built on, and answer, the what-if - _Speculative Fiction_ - if those elements are missing, you can throw in some of the markers, but you're still not ending up with genre.

And I think that genre has a reading protocol (just like every other genre) which means that as an experienced reader, you'll accept that you *don't* understand things at the beginning of the book, hoping that they will remain coherent and relevant to the story, even if you don't fully understand all of them when you get to the end. Genre readers are used to that, are intrigued by descriptions that seeminly make no sense, will accept 'magic' or 'technology' as an explanation as long as what is described is coherent in itself. This process of trust - suspension of disbelief - is inherent to SF. (Other genres ask readers to accept other unrealistic aspects of stories in order to move on. C'mon, you don't think that workaholic hard-nosed businessmen make great lifepartners?)
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 09:37 am (UTC)
Ah- I could not see the tongue in your cheek. My bad!

Thanks for the great dialogue.

Ripley
[info]dianavilliers wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 11:58 pm (UTC)
Is "where did the idea for 'xxxxx' come from?" a stupid question?

[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
Good question:) Hehe. No, in my opinion, a questions about a specific story idea is pretty fun to answer.
[info]dianavilliers wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
Additionally, there's a multi-billion dollar industry selling fantasy to people (I include film and TV and other media here too) which means that there are an awful lot of consumers of same. There's not a lot of people going around trying to solve all life's problems by ineffectually waving wands at them.
Somewhere along the line, most of these consumers of fantasy must end up living sufficiently functional lives in order to support the habit - and it's likely that his son will end up one of them.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
Good point.

But damn a problem-solving wand sure would come in handy.
[info]dianavilliers wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 09:37 am (UTC)
I shudder at the thought - it would put me out of a job and I'd be forced to try and persuade people to pay me for pixels.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 09:39 am (UTC)
Or maybe they could pay you for pixies? Hehe.
[info]punktortoise wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 12:10 am (UTC)
In Steinbeck's words, "Ideas are like rabbits. You get a couple and learn how to handle them, and pretty soon you have a dozen."

My only problem is that there's a hole in the hutch, so they keep escaping.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
Silly wabbits:)
[info]punktortoise wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 03:40 am (UTC)
Wascally, in fact ;)
[info]a_r_williams wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:21 am (UTC)
Well, since I'm not a published writer no one asks me any questions about writing. But just for when they do start can I get in some practice here?

"Where do you get your ideas?"

--I have them on lay-away at K-Mart.

--The tooth fairy. She leaves me ideas instead of quarters.

--You heard of Netflix? Well there's another company called Ideas-R-Us. If you don't like the idea, you just mail it back to them.

Well, that's a start ;)
[info]wyld_dandelyon wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 07:03 am (UTC)
What they really mean, of course, is that often it is more stupid to not ask when you don't know the answer!

But that isn't reassuring enough to get people over their fear of asking.
[info]green_knight wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 12:39 pm (UTC)
This should answer the 'ideas' question...

And I would agree that 'What truth is there in fiction' is a stupid question, because it engages with the reader's concept (it's all just made up) rather than the actual books.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 01:34 am (UTC)
JUST made up? Hmmm. "Just" being a diminutive word- a less than non-fiction word? I can't agree with a "just" attitude toward fiction. However, I think you make a great point in that readers bring their own truth to whatever they read. I think fiction is more interactive than non-fiction in that aspect. Non-fiction says "This is what happened." Fiction asks, "If this happened, what would it mean?"
[info]green_knight wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 08:32 am (UTC)
You and I might not agree, but many of the people who shun fiction do it for precisely that reason - they want facts, not made-up stories. Which completely ignores the fact that as a historian the thought that non-fiction contains truth sends cold shivers down my spine. You'll notice that biographies aren't just facts from the subject's life, either - they contain a narrative, often starting with 'this is their great achievement, and these are the trials and tribulations they had to face with to get there' with much foreshadowing and telling out of order and recurring themes.

Fiction asks, "If this happened, what would it mean?"

'Mean' in the sense of 'what are the consequences' or 'mean' in the philosophical sense? 'Mean' to the character, or to the reader?

Fiction does a lot of things, but I think ultimately most of them are related back to the reader and ask him to engage. It looks like a learned skill to me, this ability to relate to people and situations that - on the surface - might have nothing in common with you, and at the same time, that's one of fiction's strengths - the ability of the reader to recognise facets of themselves in people they had not considered kin, the ability to look at the facts of a situation without the emotional loadedness that their real world equivalents bring. Show a war between two countries in a made-up world, and the reader will have to face up to the arguments in a way that using a real-world example, in which the reader is likely to have a stake and been subjected to propaganda from one side or the other is unlikely to achieve.

If you see only the surface trimmings of speculative fiction, you miss all that, but that's what outsiders tend to see.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 09:34 am (UTC)
As a writer, I know I try to bring both types of meaning to my story- the consequences and the philosophy, but it is ultimately up to the reader what they take away.

I think you make some great points concerning the differences and similarities between fiction and non-fiction.

Thanks for putting your two cents worth forward.
[info]madshutterbug wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:02 pm (UTC)
Someone once asked me, "Where do you get your ideas for your photographs?"

I figure that's a related question to yours, about ideas.

I told him I've got a subscription to Ideas Quarterly.

I can be less than polite sometimes.
[info]punktortoise wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
I, too, subscribe to Ideas Quarterly. It's been a big help. But I've heard a rumour that the magazine is to fold, since the staff have all run out of new ideas.

If this is true, it's a big problem for anyone working in a creative endeavour. But how to solve it? I have no idea.
[info]xjenavivex wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you will never find a moral of the story in fantasy. There is no good vs. evil. If there was, good would always, always win and no one would die. You never see anything about exploiting the environment or learn what gives a character, character. Hmmmm. Nope. Sure can't see any personal growth coming from investing your time in fantasy reading.
[info]rippatton wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
Fiction is a way of telling the truth no one wants to hear, but in a way that they can't help but listen to:)
[info]green_knight wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 08:47 am (UTC)
You're getting plenty of morals in fantasy. From 'this is the proper way to behave' to 'this is the proper order of the world.' Bad ones are prescriptive and lack depth ('all members of x minority are wise' 'we need to treat these people/the planet/whatever with more respect'); good ones are more subtle and lead the reader to engage with the topic and come to their own conclusions - but a value-free zone it is not.
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